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Zack Snyder’s Justice League, part deux

A few days ago (you can read it here), I wondered about the increasing appearances and statements coming from director Zack Snyder via his Vero account concerning his film Justice League.

The film is about to be released on home video, so one might be forgiven in thinking he’s trying to get people excited to buy the film.

Not so.

As I mentioned in that previous post and for those living under a rock until now, Zack Snyder left work on Justice League some six months before the movie’s release.  His adopted daughter had committed suicide and, he stated, he couldn’t continue doing this work.  Thus the film was completed by Joss Whedon and this was the version that was released to theaters.  Mr. Snyder, it should be noted, kept a very low profile through all this and though the theatrically released film had his name on it as director, he attended no promotions or red carpet affairs.  Further, he even noted at one point after the movie’s release that he hadn’t seen it.

To those who saw Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice, Zack Snyder’s previous film leading into Justice League, it was quite clear that Mr. Whedon made considerable changes before Justice League was released.  While I liked the film overall, I nonetheless could tell that Justice League was more of a Whedon work, in the end, than a Snyder work.

Since then, fans of Mr. Snyder’s work have clamoured for the release of “his” version of the film versus the one that was released to theaters.

The big question is: Is there an actual Zack Snyder “cut” of the film?

In that previous blog post, I noted Warner Brothers eventually released a “Donner Cut” of Superman II.  This despite the fact that Mr. Donner didn’t actually finish making that film back in the late 1970’s.

Unlike Mr. Donner, Mr. Snyder completed all principle photography of Justice League.  He was working on some reshoots when he left the film but rumor has it a three hour “cut” of the film assembled before he departed.  How complete -or good- the cut was is the question.

Regardless, several days have passed since my original posting and if nothing else, it appears that more and more people are thinking that Mr. Snyder is hinting at an existing “Snyder Cut” of the film.

Over at polygon.com Julia Alexander wrote the following article, which examines that building feeling people have that just maybe there is something to the rumors:

Fans are convinced Zack Snyder is using an app to tease Justice League Snyder Cut

One of the arguments made against Snyder’s Cut of Justice League ever appearing is that he didn’t complete the work or that there are too many effects to be done or something along those lines.

However, I will repeat: A “Donner Cut” of Superman II was eventually released to home video even though by the time Mr. Donner was fired from the movie he stated he had filmed only some 60% of it.

Again: Zach Snyder completed all principle photography.  He was working on reshoots when he left the project.  Further, it appears many of the effects were indeed completed, at least based on early trailers for the film which feature scenes that were not included in Joss Whedon’s cut:

And here’s a more detailed examination of some of the scenes found in the trailer or mentioned by cast yet didn’t appear in the film:

There most certainly is work to be done if a “Snyder Cut” of the film is to be released, but I strongly suspect if Warner Brothers/DC allows it, we will eventually get it.

As I stated before, my only hope is that it won’t take 26 years, the length of time before the “Donner Cut” of Superman II was released, before we see it.

Will they… or won’t they? Justice League: The Zack Snyder Cut

Back in 1978 and to great fanfare and success the Richard Donner directed, Marlon Brando/Gene Hackman/Christopher Reeve starring Superman was released to theaters.

That movie, to my mind, remains the pinnacle of superhero films, even though the effects, miraculous at the time, are pretty dated and not quite so spectacular.

What audiences at that time didn’t know is that the movie’s producers, Ilya and Alexander Salkind, decided to sack Richard Donner even though during the filming of the original Superman he was also filming Superman II.

In fact, by the time Mr. Donner was fired, some 60% of that sequel, perhaps a little more, was finished yet the Salkinds nonetheless fired Donner and brought in Richard Lester to finish up.  Mr. Lester would receive sole credit for Superman II when it was released to theaters in 1980 despite the fact that a considerable amount of the material in the film was created under the direction of Richard Donner.

Because of the success of these films and over the subsequent years since their release, the fan community expressed a great deal of interest in seeing Richard Donner’s version of Superman II.  In 2006, twenty six years after the theatrical release of the Richard Lester version of the film, Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut was released to DVD/BluRay…

Image result for superman ii the richard donner cut

While a fascinating watch, Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut was a flawed work.  The fact of the matter was that Mr. Donner hadn’t finished the film way back when and certain included scenes were audition/practice takes.  They worked reasonably well even if they were crude considering the scenes around them.

What didn’t work, alas, was the film’s ending, which featured the “going back in time to set things right” climax which was featured in the original Superman.  For those who didn’t know, the going back in time thing was originally intended to be used in Superman II but somewhere along the line Donner and company felt it was a better ending for Superman.  They wound up using that ending in that movie and figured in time they’d get around to coming up with another ending for Superman II.

Because of the firing, that time never came and no new ending was created/conceived by Donner and company for Superman II.  Thus, in the Donner Cut of the film, we’re given that ending, despite the fact that it was already used in the original film.

As I said above, I feel the Donner Cut is a fascinating watch but ultimately a flawed work.  I nonetheless feel it is on par with, and in some cases better, than the Lester version of Superman II.

Fast forward to last year and the release of Justice League.

The production of that film was a source of considerable tension and gossip.  Zack Snyder, the film’s director, seemed a man with a target on his back, given the controversy behind the release of Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice.

While some people (like me!) enjoyed BvS, there were many, including a large percentage of critics, who slammed the film.

Given that Justice League featured Mr. Snyder back in the director’s chair and with DC/Warner Brothers clearly feeling burned by the reviews of BvS (and to some extent Suicide Squad as well), there was a great effort made to show fans that JL would be a better product.

However, some 6 or so months before the film’s release, Zack Snyder announced he had stepped down from the production.  His daughter committed suicide and he didn’t have the heart, he stated, to continue working on the film.  Joss Whedon (Buffy the Vampire Slayer, The Avengers) who had apparently been working on the script of the film, was promoted to director and tasked with finishing it up.

As it turned out, Mr. Whedon did extensive re-shoots.  When the film was released last year, the critics were a little kinder but Justice League ultimately underperformed.  It wasn’t a bust, but considering the amount of money spent on it, Warners was likely not too happy with the end results.

Worse, even casual fans of Snyder’s works could see the released film skewed heavily toward Whedon’s lighter, snarkier take.  In fact, someone made this fascinating comparison of the visuals presented by each director…

Image result for snyder vs. whedon images

Now, before I go any farther: I think this comparison is somewhat unfair.  I suspect Whedon was under great pressure to get things done and done quickly and that may be part of the reason why the Whedon “visuals” look so much cheesier.

However, now that the theatrical version of JL has been released and now that the home video version is on the horizon (the digital version is already available) this does beg these questions:

  1. Is there a “Zack Snyder” cut of the film?
  2. If there is, will we ever see it?

As for the first question, there are rumors that Mr. Snyder had a 3 hour cut of the film made shortly before he left.  Before you get too excited about that, there are further rumors that this version was deemed “unwatchable”, though by whom I don’t know.

There are also rumors, freshly released, that Mr. Snyder didn’t leave JL voluntarily, despite all that was stated at the time and the tragedy that occurred to him, that he was actually fired.

However, that’s all water under the bridge at this point and, like with Mr. Donner’s version of Superman II, we have a not insignificant amount of people out there who are curious to see the Snyder version of JL.

This is, of course, assuming that before he left Mr. Snyder did indeed create something approaching a final cut of his version of the film.

So, what is the likelihood of this happening?

Well, perhaps its due to the fact that the JL film is about to be released to home video but it seems that hints of a possible Zack Snyder cut of the film is starting to percolate into the net.

Mr. Snyder himself has commented on Vero regarding two deleted scenes he directed and what they meant in his version of the film.  This article, by Jude Terror and found on Bleedingcool.com, details Mr. Snyder’s explanation…

Zack Snyder reveals secrets of the Snyder cut

There was another, even more interesting article I found, this one written by Brian Lafayette and found on fansider.com which notes…

Did Zack Snyder just tease the Justice League Snyder Cut?

Mr. Lafayette’s points out that Mr. Snyder, via Vero, posted the following pictures:

As Mr. Lafayette points out, a cut thumb.  A “Snyder” cut, followed by a picture of Superman?  Hmmm… could Mr. Snyder be, subtly if nothing else, teasing the notion that audiences might be getting his version of the film?

I have to admit, I’d certainly buy a “Snyder Cut” of the film if it is released.  As I said too many times before, I’m a fan of BvS, especially the “Ultimate Cut”, and am very curious to see what Mr. Snyder would do with the Justice League.

Understand: I did NOT hate -and in fact enjoyed- the theatrical cut of JL.  Having said this, that film was clearly more of a Whedon product versus a Snyder product.

Perhaps one day soon, and not 26 years down the road, I might get a chance to see Snyder’s take on Justice League.

We’ll see!

Zach Snyder and Roger Moore

Sadly, it seems tragedies are the order of the day.

Yesterday it was revealed that director Zach Snyder, best known -and made the object of much internet loathing for his Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice film- announced he would be stepping away from completing the Justice League film because his 20 year old daughter had committed suicide and he felt he and his family needed to take the time off to deal with this tragedy (you can read a little more about this here).

As I’ve mentioned far too many times before, I very much liked BvS and, frankly, found myself at a loss as to why so many on the internet were so negative both about the film and, especially, Mr. Snyder.  The loathing, anger, and snipping he got were, in my opinion, way disproportionate to the film -whether you liked it or not- he delivered.

My deepest condolences and its a damn shame all that internet blather forced him to break his silence and announce the reason he was leaving the JL movie.  Unfortunately, had he simply walked away and dealt with this tragedy in private, there’s little doubt many of the more nasty people on the internet would have openly speculated he was fired from the JL film or worse because of course it has to be a disaster.

To them, I can only hope they get over themselves.

Even if BvS were the worst film -much less superhero film- ever released, Mr. Snyder didn’t deserve half the crap he got for it.

Again, my condolences.

Next up, the passing of Roger Moore…

The first Bond film I ever saw -I think!- happened to be the first Bond film featuring Sir Roger Moore.  Released in 1973, Live and Let Die is, to my eyes still, a fantastic piece of action escapism.

In time I got to see not only all of Mr. Moore’s Bond films, but also all the Sean Connery features.  Overall I felt Mr. Connery’s films were stronger, but Roger Moore’s works, though far more tongue in cheek, were nonetheless quite good as well.

To me the biggest problem with Mr. Moore’s Bonds versus Connery’s is that it seemed every really good Bond film was followed by a far… lesser… one.

In order, Mr. Moore appeared in these seven Bond films:

Live And Let Die

The Man With The Golden Gun

The Spy Who Loved Me

Moonraker

For Your Eyes Only

Octopussy

A View To A Kill

It’s interesting, to me, how I love Live and Let Die and disliked The Man With The Golden Gun.  I love The Spy Who Loved Me (many feel, and with good reason, that this is one of Mr. Moore’s all time best Bond films) and disliked Moonraker.  I love For Your Eyes Only (my own personal favorite Moore Bond film) and love Octopussy (hey, two in a row!) but found A View To A Kill a sad finale to his Bond role.

Of course, Mr. Moore didn’t just do James Bond films.  He was active in TV and movies and was equally well known for playing Simon Templar in the TV series The Saint.

He was also very capable of making fun of himself as evidenced from this scene from the film Cannonball Run.  Easily the film’s funniest scene, where Mr. Moore plays spoiled rich brat Seymour, a man who thinks he’s the super-suave Roger Moore…

Rest in Peace, Mr. Moore.  I can’t help but appreciate all the hours of great entertainment you’ve provided me.